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Another proposed model for EVP

Alright. Yaknow, one day we’ll actually get the format of this podcast thing *right*.

In the meantime, we gotta work to get there. So here’s the latest.

In the current format of the podcast I have proposed, it allows for 3 fics of about 3000 words, an interview or meta piece (about 10-15 minutes worth), about 5-10 minutes worth of Vox Pops (who knows if they’ll be a success, just experimenting here!) and 3 songs.

While the variety in content here is quite appealing, it does restrict the fics themselves. In terms both of the length, and of the range of stories – i.e. obviously there are more than three stories out there per theme!

The idea, following this thought, is to have supplementary fic-only editions of EVP. So a proposal for this kind of model would be:

  • A 1 hour typical podcast-style edition, that would focus more on fandom stuff than actual reading of fanfic. Its format could be:
    • an interview

    • reading of *one* story that relates to interview (i.e. by the author who is interviewed? Or one that illustrates what the interview was about? A story read by its author?). This could be a long story (5000-6000 words).

    • Music tracks, maybe about 3 of them. Either from the show, or suggested by listeners, or “adopt-a-vid” tracks?

    • Another non-fiction piece, such as a humorous piece, or meta, or resources; or non-fic – discussion of fanart, vidding, manips, projects… Maybe more than one. Vox pops?

  • A supplementary, fic (and music?)-only edition. It could have further stories, 3-6 of them (depending on length). Also 1 hour long.

In other words, 2 hours of audio material per week. A more ‘meta’ part (in terms of commentary and background on the theme/material) and a purely fic part; two 1 hour files each week.

This would allow more time and depth for typical radio program-style items (meta, opinion, interviews, etc), and more room for fics to stretch their legs. Also more opportunities for people to get involved.

Potential drawbacks? Well, from my standpoint, I’m mildly concerned that people will favour one over the other, and I won’t kid around here: I love it to death, but this project is a lot of hard work. I don’t want to be spending too much time and energy on something that people aren’t that interested in.

So, as listeners, I really need your feedback here – is this two-part model something you think you would download/listen to/enjoy? Or is there one part that you’re more interested in than the other? Do you have a better suggestion for a model?

Also, as contributors – this could either be wonderful for you, as I wouldn’t have to turn down submissions so much; or terrible for me, as I desperately scramble for recordings.

I also anticipate that I’d need at least one more person to step up to the plate and help me behind-the-scenes on the project; motivating people, contacting contributors and authors, prodding for submissions, collating stuff. Even carrying out interviews, wrangling meta, that kind of stuff. It is demanding but also fun (if you’re like me and love pet projects like this, organising and creating and collating and producing), and would require a firm commitment. Possibly there could be sub-editors for each edition? and if you're interested, you could claim an edition to help on now.

Please comment with your thoughts, even if they’re no more complicated than a “You are so right!” or a “no freaking way will that work!”

This really is a community project, that relies on contributions to exist, and on listeners to be a success (because what’s the point of all that hard work when no one’s listening?).

So please, take advantage and have your say. I don’t *want* to make all the decisions on my own, I want you to determine what it is *you* end up listening to :)

ETA: Other models:

2. monthly supplementary edition, with excess submissions, no particular theme.

3. each edition has extra fics (ones that were submitted, but not included in the 'cast) for download as individual files (linked to in the show notes).

4. keep the same format, but make it 90 minutes long instead of 60.



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Aug. 15th, 2006 08:38 am (UTC)
For my view, I much favour the current format, and probably wouldn't listen/download to the fic-only edition. It's the different aspects that appeal, and I'd be more inclined to suggest a 90 minute podcast, if you wanted to fit a longer fic/more meta/vox pops etc, rather than two seperate hour-longs. Don't know if that's a particularly viable option though! Or, stick to the current format and release a 'supplementary' hour-long fic-only podcast every other week or something, if you were keen on taking that route.

Aug. 15th, 2006 11:21 am (UTC)
Oh, crap - and I meant to offer my help. *facedesk* Not sure what I could do, but I'm willing to do it. :D
(no subject) - angstslashhope - Aug. 15th, 2006 11:30 am (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 15th, 2006 08:44 am (UTC)
I would download and listen to both but I think I'd prefer to stick with the current format.

One thing I would be interested in, though, is an occasional - say monthly - fic-only podcast with longer stories. Maybe an hour-long cast with two half-hour stories. If there's any interest in that, I'd be happy to step up to the plate for it. (The more bizarre accents the better!)
Aug. 15th, 2006 11:29 am (UTC)
yeah, i'd really like the opportunity for longer stories to be aired. monthly seems like it might work for that. hmm.

Thanks :)
Aug. 15th, 2006 08:50 am (UTC)
I was thinking of doing an SPN podcast where there's a panel discussion about episodes (this is what I currently do with DVD Verdict). I've heard a Gilmore Girls podcast that does that and it's easy to do with Skype. If it was really great, maybe we could even get interviews with people connected with the show - huh?

I'd be willing to help out and/or host a section like that if you wanted to do it. I can record but I'm no good with the editing and putting it all together.

As for the fic format - honestly, the music is my least favorite part, I skip it. I like the clips from the show and the fic. So my vote would be to ditch the music to add another story.

More than an hour for a podcast is too long. I'd listen to two different ones - but please don't bite off more than you can chew. You just started doing this and I know it's a lot of work. I don't want you to get burned out overnight.
Aug. 15th, 2006 11:09 am (UTC)
Hey, I love the idea of a panel discussion podcast. lea_ndra and I were just discussing how it would make a good meta piece, to have a panel discussion.

were you planning on just having episodic discussion, or could you be convinced to have themes for meta discussion? I mean, my concept of it is that it would be meta discussion anyway, yeah? just focussed around the episodes. conceivably, then, you could set the discussion topic as anything - so, Wincest instead of Wendigo, for example.

And now I totally want to convince you to do something like that. Like, a meta podcast where this one is fic. Um, whatever you end up doing, I'd be glad to give you mod status on this community so you can post your 'cast here, too. It would be awesome.

Or, as you said, helping out or hosting a section on meta? yeah, that could work :)

To be honest, the editing together side of things doesn't take a lot of time at all. It's the collating/recruiting that takes most of the effort.

how many words is Conversations? that was the longest recording i've used, at 18 minutes. did you feel it was too long?

I think the main thing for avoiding burn out is to get as many people active and involved and responsible as possible... get this thing running smoothly on its own, so that i don't feel all resentful and pressured if i have more important responsibilities elsewhere.
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Aug. 15th, 2006 08:52 am (UTC)
Sorry, one more comment. I'm not sure longer stories would work all that well. It's tough to keep track of what's happening in a story with 3,000 words, any longer might be difficult to listen to, unless it was broken up with a short recap before the next part.

Previously on Supernatural....
Aug. 15th, 2006 08:54 am (UTC)
The fic only supplementary sounds like a good idea, but I agree with the idea of it being a monthly thing. that way it would be extra special and a bit less work, putting together two shows a week is an awesome task.

I pretty much suck at technology so I would be no good with editing, but the prodding, contacting and collating are right up my street, I would be willing to help in whatever way you need.
Aug. 15th, 2006 11:11 am (UTC)
Thank you for the offer of support! The prodding etc is the main thing that I'd need help with, I think.

Thanks for commenting, too. I think monthly would work better than weekly if there were to be a supplementary, yeah.
(no subject) - lightly - Aug. 15th, 2006 11:39 am (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 15th, 2006 09:05 am (UTC)
I'm sort of split down the middle. While I would download and listen to two separate types of podcast, I enjoy the current format because of the variety. That would be the listener in me speaking. The (hopefully soon) contributor in me wonders if an hour long show each week is enough for all the possible submissions in all the different areas.

Which would be easier - combining it all into one longer length program or creating two separate programs for separate purposes?

I like the idea of sub-editors. Frankly, I don't know how you're doing all this by yourself! I admit, I don't know much about creating a podcast, but I'm interested in learning if the call for sub-editors for editions is put out there.
Aug. 15th, 2006 11:28 am (UTC)
I'm reluctant to make an individual podcast longer than an hour... but a separate one would be lots of work. I think I just need to decide how much and what, and stick to it. hmm.

thanks for commenting :)
Aug. 15th, 2006 09:40 am (UTC)
Okay, the idea of an hour long edition including author interviews, meta and featured fic has me drolling like a rabid... thing. Honestly, I like what you've got going now - I like it a whole lot. In fact, once the weekend gets here I plan to sprawl out and indulge in the audio pretty until my face falls off. But I LOVE the idea of something more fandom-centric as well, and it will facilitate my stalking of favourite authors, so...

Aug. 15th, 2006 11:12 am (UTC)
That's good to hear. I keep on feeling anxious because I'm moving further *away* from the fic-reading and toward more of the other stuff. I think part of the anxiety is that I can't include *everything*, heh, and there's nothing I can do about that.

Thanks for commenting :)
Aug. 15th, 2006 09:42 am (UTC)
Majority of the people here wouldn't probably download a fic-only podcast because if you're just gonna read fic, we might as well read them in textual format. The fact that the first editions are fic only doesn't matter because hey, novelty factor.

I believe we're in here for the special goodies that will soon come out. Interviews with the author, Vox Pops and etc. And the fact that we can pay homage to our favorite authors by asking to read their fics.

As for the timeframe, I suggest that you move it to bi-weekly or 1 and a half if you're really having a hard time editing and stuff. I'm sure more people will step up eventually but I can't bear the thought of you slaving away. Besides, quality over quantity, my dear, always. I believe that most of us are willing to wait for an awesome edition of podcast.

While I no doubt believe that one day this community's fans will balloon to massive proportions, I am here to offer support and help (insubstantial as it may seem) that the few fans doesn't. We're all listening, darling. We're just too lazy to comment. *smiles*

On another note, would it be alright if I released a fic exclusive only to the Pre-series edition of this podcast? I'd read it myself and all if I can hunt down a microphone. Why am I going to do this? Because your efforts deserve to be recognized.

That is all.
Aug. 15th, 2006 11:15 am (UTC)
Oo! I like the idea of exclusive stories. You're on :)

Thanks for the comments. I've had a variety of responses re: content; some people are excited about the potential of interviews, meta, etc, others desperately want more fic tracks!

I'm not really having a hard time editing - it takes surprisingly little time to actually edit it together, it's the collating that can get tiresome. it's more about people sending me enough of the right stuff on time than me putting the stuff together.
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Aug. 15th, 2006 10:18 am (UTC)
First thing is...don't overwork yourself. Unless you find helpers and collaborators, stick to 'here's one EVO for you' when you actually have had the time to do it, without it feeling like a chore and /or burden, stressing overdeadlines.

Personally, I hope to be able to help in the future, but right now, it's simply impossible. Sorry. What I can offer is the use of papawinchester to put up polls, if you like - since it's there, why not? A poll would give you a clear idea of numbers an dpreferences and majority, I think. We can work this is out in email if you think it's feasible and useful for you :)

As to your questions...

Excess Submissions: I like this idea. It's a way of encouraging readers anyway, and not let material wait unused, I think.

Individual Files: uh, no. Too scattered. The beauty of your project is its identity, I think :)

Same Format, only longer: Fine by me. The more the better :)

Fic Only Podcast: contrary to mikhale's comment, I don't see anything wrong in a fic only podcast. Not always we have printed fiction or a pc screen available to us (ie, my hospital hours-long stay, or when driving, or even cooking/cleaning etc. I have a few of Sean Bean's Sharpe's books recordings, for example, and they have kept me company in more than one long spring cleaning session). So, Yes for Fic Only Podcasts, imo.

I also like your idea of two hours of material per week, separated in a more 'meta' one and a more 'fiction' one - if per week is too much work, make it bi-weekly: I/we really don't want you to burn yourself on this. It should always be fun for you too. :)

Which follows into a big thank you, again :)
Aug. 15th, 2006 11:23 am (UTC)
Thanks for the input, and the offer of papawinchester. At this stage I'm happy to keep this kind of discussion here on the community, but it's good to know pw's there if i need a wider audience!

The two main drawbacks to fic-only editions is the time and the bandwidth, for me. I agree that fic-files on their own are scattered, and that's why i'm doing this in the first place, but would you rather have individual fic files than no extra fic at all? I'm thinking at this stage that that's the option to include more material, but not overwhelm with too much work.
Aug. 15th, 2006 10:31 am (UTC)
I like the 90 minute idea, and your original supplement idea was good. I've been listening to all of them, and would listen to any amount that you are willing to make. I enjoy them so much.
Aug. 15th, 2006 11:30 am (UTC)
:) that's good to hear, thank you. and thanks for the suggestions. *takes note*
Aug. 15th, 2006 12:52 pm (UTC)
eally need your feedback here – is this two-part model something you think you would download/listen to/enjoy?


Um. I don't have any helpful suggestions to add, sorry. Just that I would definitely listen to both the fic and more meta parts and I'm pretty much equally interested in both. Or, the making it longer thing works too. It's not like people have to listen to everything in one go, 'cause podcasts are nice like that. I like the idea of more fics in the podcast, which is not to say the hour is too short, but turning good readings down because of time restrictions kinda has to suck.

And I have a tiny, tiny question. Would you mind if I recorded your fic On the banks of the Tiber? I know it's longer than 3000 words, but. Um. Maybe you could fit it in somewhere, at some point, if I get around to buying a new mic I do?
Aug. 15th, 2006 12:56 pm (UTC)
Maybe I should just decide the number of items instead of the length of the 'cast, then let it go on for however long it needs to.

and dude, I am totally flattered that you want to record Tiber, and would absolutely love it. yes! please do! God, how long is it, 5000 words? how long to record, i wonder?

though what theme? creatures?
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Aug. 15th, 2006 02:11 pm (UTC)
i'm actually in it for the fic, and i really like the current format with the sound clips and songs. i think more than an hour might be too long for one podcast unless you break it up - mix fics and music and meta and interviews and etc. i really like the idea of supplementary episodes or just extra single files of stuff that didn't go into the podcast. kind of like outtakes. :> also i think it would be nice to include one of the interviewee's fics/meta posts if you do interviews. it can be a teaser, maybe two or three minutes of a long fic, but something for the listeners who don't know them to get an idea why they're being interviewed.

i do actually like the idea of a radio program style podcast, with more than just fic, and if you did a fic-only episode and a more meta episode i'd download and listen to both. i think the difference between two separate episodes and one longer one is whether or not one is more work for you than the other, altho you could get a total of two hours of podcast with two separate episodes, instead of an hour and a half of one. maybe it would depend on how much material you have, and some weeks we'd get one long one and some weeks we'd get two.

i'm crap at the collating and motivating and organizing (even for my own projects >.< ) but i am totally willing to read at the last minute if you find yourself with more material than people to read it, or a big gaping hole where some fic should be.

(and now i think someone should read field of mars, if groaty reads on the banks of the tiber. i'm all about the sequels and companion fics. :> and field of mars is a gooood fic, altho more john-centric than creature-centric.)
Aug. 16th, 2006 04:26 am (UTC)
Thank you for the suggestions & input. I agree, over an hour is too long.

and heh! Tiber and Mars are both quite long, would take an hour just to read the both of them! so we'll see how that goes ;)
Aug. 15th, 2006 02:46 pm (UTC)
Podcast is ♥

You are glorious.

More is better.

Long, short, I'll take anything I can get. (*koff*)

Any fic you have, please post. Whether as no-theme supplemental cast or individual stories (whatever is easier for you). (Perhaps relegating the longer, 3000+ word stories to the supplemental?)

I'd be happy to help as a contributor contactor/recruiter/prodder. I'm not really able to volunteer sub-editor services now for time reasons, but maybe later on.

Did I mention podcast is ♥?

Whew. Ok then.
Aug. 16th, 2006 04:29 am (UTC)
Thanks so much for the offers to help! It's great to know there're folk out there willing to help and I'm not just shouting into the void :)

And thanks for telling me that you'll take in whatever I dish out, too... I think I need reminding, every so often, that when it comes to this people have preferences but generally they're not picky!

Aug. 15th, 2006 02:52 pm (UTC)
I would be interested in any option that involves more fic, although I'm looking forward to the meta pieces and interviews, etc. It sounds awfully intriguing!

Maybe the longer fics could be broken into, say 10-minute sections, and separated by songs or clips or something. It would make it easier on the reader--it's hard to read for that long without stumbling over words or needing a drink of water. And the occasional "previously" summary would be good, too.

Also, if a list of times (in minutes and seconds) were provided for the beginning of each segment on the 'cast, it would be helpful.

I don't think any individual podcast should be more than an hour long.

If fic-only (or fic-mostly) 'casts were done, I would like them more often than once a month... but don't bite off more than you can chew! As somebody else said, go for quality over quantity. So, whatever you can handle!
Aug. 15th, 2006 02:55 pm (UTC)
Oh, and after reading deirdre_c's comment above, I especially agree with this part:

Any fic you have, please post. Whether as no-theme supplemental cast or individual stories (whatever is easier for you). (Perhaps relegating the longer, 3000+ word stories to the supplemental?)

Maybe some of the longer fics could be their own 'cast completely, again separated into 10- or 15-minute chunks by songs/clips/even maybe a bit of silence, to give the reader a rest and the listener time to assimilate what's happened so far.
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Aug. 15th, 2006 03:07 pm (UTC)
Well. I seem to be in the minority, but I'm mostly here for the fic. I like having the other stuff in there, too, but I doubt I'd listen to an hour of it. I think the idea of keeping the format the way it is now, and then offering the stuff that doesn't fit into the podcast as extras/outtakes is a great idea; it's not really any more work for you, and the people who want it can pick/choose what they want to download. Also, that way, if someone really wants to read a fic longer than 3000 words, you could offer it to the comm without putting it in the 'cast.

Would the extras just be fic, or are there other things that get submitted that don't fit into the podcast?
Aug. 16th, 2006 04:33 am (UTC)

I'm thinking the extras would just be fic.

and thanks for leaving your thoughts on it, it's really helpful. I am going to keep the main focus on it as the fic, definitely.
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